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kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was just the right medicine last night. >> now, let me ask the big picture political question, dana, and i want margie to weigh in as well. the democratic base for mr. b biden or did it just help ril up the base? >> it did clearly energyize the base. people are asking does that turn off independents or undecideds. i think even if it did that to some extent, what needed to be done was the reverse, the narrative that had been in place since a week ago that the democrats were back on their heels on the defensive. joe biden was not on the defensive last night. he
kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight race, even losing in some cases to mitt romney. but in the key battleground states that will decide the election, the numbers tell a somewhat different story so far. according to the latest nbc news/"wall street journal"/maris polls in ohio, florida, and virginia, romney has improved his standing only slightly. in virginia, romney has a one-point advantage. last week the president was up two in that count. in florida the president is up by one. that's not very much. and in ohio the president is up by six points, still solid there. here might be the reason why. in all three states vast majorities say their minds were made
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight...
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. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added
. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to talk about it. republican congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house select committee on intelligence. mr. rogers, thank you for joining me. let me ask you straight away about your reaction to this issue that's now blowing up pretty big today about what joe biden said about what was known by we, and i use the word we advisedly. let's play first of all what was said by joe biden and by paul ryan in the debate last night. >> this is becoming more troubling by the day. they first blamed the youtube video. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted m
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> here's how cnn scored it, practically a tie. vice president biden's son beau will discuss. first, governor romney on the warpath over libya, saying joe biden is in complete denial when he said during the debate last night the white house had no clue the u.s. consulate in benghazi wanted more security before the deadly attack that killed the ambassador. let's get right to our first guest to...
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kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on small business banks is hysterical. ryan said 53% of income would fall under small business income. but 53% of small business income is earned by 3% of the businesses. they are not small businesses. they are very profitable organizations. >> stephanie: exactly. i couldn't be happier -- what -- obviously you have been talking to a lot of people since the debate. what was your sense? >> i thought everybody on our side thought it was a home run. and i'm not the first one to say this, but the fact that the republican were harping on joe being ruud and smiling too much understand that they lost on substance substantially. the
kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible.
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans...
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. >> it has never been -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, be now you're jack kennedy? >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> was that nervous laughter of the audience that you could hear? whol had to meet the threshold of competency and he did. biden scored points on substance. don't be surprised if we hear the most effective lines of attack from the president himself at next week's town hall-style debate in new york. the question is, how much was biden hurt on style. republicans did what they could to turn him into al gore, the eye rolls, sighs, that kind of thing. >> he reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush and getting in his face. >> i don't know if he thought it was a joke but he was laughing a lot. >> it was bizarre. i thought it was belittling. >> when the other side is spending their time tweeting and going after eye rolls and smirks, they are losing the debate and everybody knows it. >> the problem for republicans with the gore narrative, al gore did something we had never seen him do. democratic base
. >> it has never been -- >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, be now you're jack kennedy? >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> was that nervous laughter of the audience that you could hear? whol had to meet the threshold of competency and he did. biden scored points on substance. don't be surprised if we hear the most effective lines of attack from the president himself at next week's town hall-style debate in new york. the question is, how...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger than i thought it would be. >> greta: is a number you're confident of? though you're surprised?. >> i would probably say some component of statistics. i won't be surprise fd it ticks up a little bit next month. the survey of people which is what the unemployment rate comes from has a job creation margin of error plus or minus 400,000 per month. anyone as i say, every month take a three-month average if you want to know how the job market is doing. >> greta: let me ask you about a three month average. this is what i said tonight. he said job growth in slept slower than in august. he said august slower than
jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger...
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. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: at the end, each man summed up and both chose to attack. >> my friend says that 30% of the american people are takers. romney points out 47% of the people won't take responsibility. he's talking about my mother and father. talking about the places i grew up, my neighbors. he's talking about, he's talking about the people that built this country. all they're looking for is an even shot. >> president obama, he had his chance. he made his choices. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve
. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it...
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it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in this. one other point. the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because it lost control of the debate. we want a moderate and not to be in control. why should he be in control? the debate ought to be about the participants. i think if the moderator, ever in the future, says we have to stop this and move on, i would like to hear what candidates say, why? besides we have to have six segments instead of five. >> i have to agree on this one. the criticism of jim lehrer is off base. i noticed in the debate from top to time, obama weblog to him as if to say, help me, jim. that was not jim lehrer's role. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> let me ask you about donna brown states. as of friday, realclearpolitics average, obama, 7.6 in watching -- wisconsin been in pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. will those numbers change? >> i think he was a tightening of the race. c
it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in this. one other point. the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because it lost control of the debate. we want a moderate and not to be in control. why should he be in control? the debate ought to be about the participants. i think if the moderator, ever in the future, says we have to stop this and move on, i would like to hear what...
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president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate, "time" magazine released these photos. it triggered what was called a dumbbell debate. >>> a search on google images with the phrase completely wrong brings up mitt romney. google says there's no partisan politics here. he used the phrase about his 47% comments. >>> california congressman was debating when things got testy. the rhetoric heated up and sherman got physical. before things escalated into a wrestling match, a police officer stepped in and the debate wrapped up with no injuries. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. here is your "first look" of how wall street is going to close. the dow cl
president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate,...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> both campaigns are claiming victory. >> mr. ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're...
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ronald reagan and jack kennedy did it to increase growth. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> we told each other what we are going to do. we said this is what we will cut. >> that is how you get things done. let me say it this way. >> a republican congress working bipartisan way? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was a governor of massachusetts for 87% of the legislature he worked with was democrats. he did not demonize them. he met with them every week. he reached across the aisle and did not compromise principles. he balanced the budget. >> why is he even contesting massachusetts? >> from tonight's debate -- you can post and share clubs as you are seeing tonight from the debate. it is all from the debate hub on c-span.org as you watch and engage in the debates. from our twitter page -- curtis is on the phone from georgia on the independent line. >> i think that -- we have candidates today, we should be supporting each other. i think it is time to elect mature people and congress to give the country moving back the way it should be. >> t
ronald reagan and jack kennedy did it to increase growth. >> now you are jack kennedy. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> we told each other what we are going to do. we said this is what we will cut. >> that is how you get things done. let me say it this way. >> a republican congress working bipartisan way? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was a governor of massachusetts for 87% of the legislature he worked with was democrats. he did not...
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kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that was a complete distortion of my record. i know that won't come as a shock. it's amazing to hear him criticize my record or john kerry's. >> 30 seconds. >> i think his record speaks for itself and frankly it's not very distinguished. >> so what you have there is an older, experienced vice president, adopting just the right tone of kunds sencion to a younger rival. joe biden will try to do that against paul ryan tonight, guys. >> man, watching those clips -- >> gets us ready. >> spicy already. thank you
kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first...
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kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this debate. you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during
kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoy
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk about taxes and ryan still getting caught with these lies and then the next day saying that's exactly what we meant to say. how does this work, errol. >> a promise has been made. a big broad promise has been made to splash taxes. it's estimated by a reasonable objective source that this could cost treasury 5 trillion-dollar over ten years. a lot of people are naturally curious. where are you going to get that 5 trillion-dollar, and it's not in this ticket's political best interest to answer this question. let's say they can do this. the mortgage deduction is going to have to go. there are a number of important tax l
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- republican and democrats -- republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said here are the things we're going to cut. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it this way. >> that coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them, he didn't demagogue them, he met with the party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principles -- >> and you saw what happened. >> and he balanced the budget. >> he did such a great job. >> vice president -- >> why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest -- what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce it long term? >> just let taxes expire like they'
jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- republican and democrats -- republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said here are the things we're going to cut. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it this way. >> that coming from a...
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. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this upcoming match-up between biden and his gop challenger, paul ryan, are a different animal. >> can you see they have hit the standard of readiness, they will be ready to be able to step into the oval office and take the reigns of the presidency. but beyond that in terms of the actual debate itself, unless there's a star-killing or star-catching moment, it rarely changes the course of the debate. >> brazil says the first rule here is to do no harm. >> in terms of substance, don't break any new ground. this is not an addition for 2016, but it's about 2012 and the top of the ticket. >> biden said that contests are never easy. >> what i have been doing mostly is quite frankly studying up on congressman ryan's positions on the issues, and governor romney has embraced, at least everything that i can see. i don'
. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this upcoming match-up between biden and his gop challenger, paul ryan, are a different animal. >> can you see they have hit the standard of readiness, they will be ready to be able to step into the oval office and take the reigns of the...
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senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus out of one side of your mouth and that's the facts, ping, bang. i mean give me a break. i just wish that biden had a chance to talk about that false lies that they was saying that the president has raised taxes on the middle class. he hasn't raised any taxes. >> bill: he cut taxes on the middle class. i agree, jay, he hit them on every point. and i love when paul ryan's attack of the stimulus is not working, and biden said look at this guy, he sent me two letters requesting money. and ryan had to admit, yeah i did that but it was just on behalf of my constituents. biden was right on top of that one
senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus...
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jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend, literally my friend, not in the joe biden sense, michael is my friend, is in the beltway, i don't mean to dispaur raj beltway reporters, but paul ryan has been given such a pass. he has a reputation for being a worngy guy, good at the numbers. his numbers have never added up. he has this reputation for being a deficit hawk. as joe biden said he voted for the wars, for the new medicare -- >> the prescription drug benefit. >> he voted -- >> the bush tax cuts. >> the bush tax cuts, all of the bush budgets. he voted for a bush stimulus. in addition to voting against obama stimulus but asking for money, he voted for bush stimulus and
jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend,...
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. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's offered a clear plan. >> your plan is a white flag of surrender. surrender. >> this is cnn. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> the vice presidential candidates, front and center tonight in a campaign that's very close once again. >> just 26 days before the election and we're seeing these debates tonight. >> a young gun republican appearing in his first national debate. >> we can turn this around. it is not too late to revive the american dream. >> an experienced democrat, returning to a familiar stage. >> they just have no credibility. it's not just what you say, it's what you don't. >> both
. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's...
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>>> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> welcome back to "hardball," live from center college in danville, kentucky. what can we expect from joe biden tonight? democratic chris van hollen, he's been playing biden in the sparring matches. i have a whole list of things. will he bring out romney's positions an abortion and paul ryan's personhood, which criminalizes abortion. can biden deliver that, too? joining me right now is u.s. congressman chris van hollen who happens to be my congressman and my wife's, probably more importantly. and gentlemen, i'm going to start with you, sir, because you've been there. you know what we don't know. you know how prepared joe biden is. is he? >> he's ready to go. he's looking forward to tonight and he understands the stakes are high and he's looking forward to talking about the choices in this election. absolutely. >> it's faster, more punches are thrown. does he have a different role than he knows for running for pres
>>> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> welcome back to "hardball," live from center college in danville, kentucky. what can we expect from joe biden tonight? democratic chris van hollen, he's been playing biden in the sparring matches. i have a whole list of things. will he bring out romney's positions an abortion and paul ryan's personhood, which criminalizes abortion. can biden deliver that, too?...
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that left the opening for jack benson to say you are no jack kennedy. i thought at the time this will turn this into a route and be the sound bite played forever and this is a bad night tore the gop ticket. i went down stairs into the press room and saw you david broader of the washington post a long time pretty fair minded reporter and i said what do you think about this. he said there may be some marginal effect but i don't think it will make much difference. he was absolutely right. in the end it didn't make any noticeable difference in the outcome of the election. >> chris: 15 seconds kirsten, does it matter? >> matters very little unless something super dramatic in terms of let's say paul ryan announced some new policy or something. in that way it would matter. otherwise i don't think it makes -- >> chris: thank you panel. see you you next week. check out panel plus where the group picks up with the discussion on our website. fox news sunday .com. we will post the video before noon eastern time. follow us on twitter @ foxnewssunday. up next, we go
that left the opening for jack benson to say you are no jack kennedy. i thought at the time this will turn this into a route and be the sound bite played forever and this is a bad night tore the gop ticket. i went down stairs into the press room and saw you david broader of the washington post a long time pretty fair minded reporter and i said what do you think about this. he said there may be some marginal effect but i don't think it will make much difference. he was absolutely right. in the...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working bipartisanly. 7% rating, come on. >> 87% of legislators were democrats. he didn't dem niz them, dem going to them, he met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, and he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job. a great job -- >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit. >> let taxes expire like they are supposed to on millionaires. we can't afford this going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they don't need it tho. middle class people need the help. why
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working...